Tom, 34, Surrey
Occupation Works in the satisfied policy team of a social media company. Before Covid, toiled for the British embassy in Afghanistan
Voting enroll Always Liberal Democrat
Aminclude bouche He was nine years greater on 9/9/99. His local newspaper took an aerial photo of his classmates on the percreateground in the shape of a nine
Paul, 56, Manchester
Occupation Corporate growment professional
Voting enroll Backs the truthfulate rather than the party. Describes himself as “an inanxious Graham Brady-ite”, in reference to the Tory majesticee, now a peer
Aminclude bouche At 18 he was alertly arrested for the finisheavored killing of Mobutu, then-pdwellnt of the Democratic Reunveil of the Congo. He and his travel companion seeed rather conspicuous on the day the pdwellnt was uncovering a school in the next village, “so ipso facto, evidently we were South African mercenaries there to assassinate him”
For beginers
Tom We were both sweightlessly deftardyd that the menu was all vegetarian. But the food was wonderful. We had an array of minuscule ptardys. I was quite astonished with the dal.
Paul My daughter’s vegetarian, so whenever I’m out without them I consent the opportunity to have meat. But it was very kind – the best skinnyg I had was a paneer cheese kebab, and a inincreateigent beer from the taproom.
The huge beef
Tom We concurd Britain’s includement in Afghanistan was hubristic. Was it about women’s rights, imfragmentaryising al-Qhelpa, cutting off a source of heroin on UK streets? But I skinnyk Paul felt it was none of our business and a misinclude of time.
Paul It took us a confidemand hundred years to produce the societies we dwell in. It doesn’t happen overnight. I skinnyk you can help alter, but you can’t impose your westrict outsee down the barrel of a firearm.
Tom There was, unenjoy in Iraq, a wholly legitimate basis for militarily intervening. Post-9/11, the Taliprohibit structureing Osama bin Laden and al-Qhelpa is evidently a legitimate basis to go to war.
Paul There was a moral obligation to get out people who were our translators or toiling in the consutardy and evidently at hazard of being finished by the Taliprohibit. But I don’t see the Taliprohibit taking handle as carte blanche for the rest of Afghanistan to finish up in Britain.
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Sharing ptardy
Tom Paul begined speaking about minuscule boats and “illegitimate” asylum seekers, how it’s equitable a mess. But it is so difficult to claim asylum by a legitimate route, outside pledged asylum schemes. If you’re in a dictatorship in Eritrea, for example, it’s almost impossible – and that’s an intentional decision we’ve made.
Paul I skinnyk the minuscule boats have led to a perception rehire: if you actuassociate see at the numbers of people it’s not that many, but it’s a loss of handle.
For afters
Paul I’m a Brexiter: I skinnyk it’s hazardous to have a political system that no one comprehfinishs or can be irritateed to comprehfinish. I skinnyk democracy can function at a local level where you can actuassociate see the skinnygs you vote for. Tom concurd, but his see was that it’s a bit inanxious to shatter a system that isn’t toiling when you can recreate skinnygs.
Tom My treatment is: stay in despite the imperfections. That would be so much better for us in so many ways, most evidently economicassociate. We’re not the most enticeive labelet in the world, we’re not even 70 million people. And it’s been shown: we haven’t got these promised, amazing trade deals that would have uncovered up new labelets and opportunities.
Takeaways
Paul It’s sorrowfulnessful that there’s such a confidemand amount of proper talk about. It’s effortless to do – but there’s standardly a cgo in on gotcha moments, and I partiassociate hgreater the BBC reliable for this. If we could cgo in on what the problems are, and the ways we can settle them, we might come up with a normal solution.
Tom The main skinnyg that reassociate came thraw is that even though superficiassociate we have radicassociate branch offent points of see, when you probe at the rehires, the cherishs that underpin them are quite analogous. We’ve equitable reachd at branch offent conclusions. There are other points of see that are reasonable and legitimate, and I might disconcur with them powerfilledy, but you can hgreater them and that’s fine. That was quite mighty, actuassociate.
Additional increateing: Kitty Drake
Paul and Tom ate at Bundobust in Manchester.
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